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Posted: 12/07/07 05:50 PM
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I took my car to get it insured the insurance adjuster said if it was a matching number car then I need to have some kind of extra coverage that covers a valuable car. How do I find out if the car has matching numbers and where do I get these numbers verified.
All I know about the car is that my dad bought it a few years ago done a lot of work to it fixed it up nice. I was never a car buff, when the car was left to me I thought why not insure it and drive it. So that are my plans but I need some info so I can get the right coverage for my car.
It is a 1969 351 Ford Mustang, I do remeber my dad saying it had it painted back to the orginal colors. If anyone can help I would greatly appericate it.
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Posted: 12/09/07 12:02 PM
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Most early Fords did not have "matching numbers" like the GM guys. Ford didn't even start putting the VIN stamp onto the engine until the late '60s...
Your typical '65-'66 Mustang has no way to determine if it has the original engine or not.
Now, on your '69, it might. But lets start with the VIN first. Post up your VIN (or PM it to me if you don't want it public) and I'll decode it for you to see if your '69 even CAME with a 351 originally, which is a start. If the VIN checks out then we can move forward, but if your car had a 302 in it there's no sense going for the numbers matching insurance. You follow me?
Also, if the car is modified extensively the numbers matching won't matter to the insurance companies, because at that point they usually prefer a vehicle appraisal to determine value (due to modifications and aftermarket parts). Any photos you can post of the car will help as well...
Mark
Mark Houlahan Editor Modified Mustangs & Fords Magazine
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Posted: 12/09/07 03:30 PM
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Well I found out it has a cobra jet engine 70 model what ever that is I took it out to the ford dealership that was open yesterday and he looked up some info for me.
The car is a 69 mustang 351 he told me that the motor could have come in the car since it was a late 69 model he said it was questionable. He said he would make a call on Monday to check the numbers for me and find out what motor came in the car. He told me fair market value on my car would be any where from 15,000 to 21,000 depending on the buyer interested
I explained to him it was not for sale. So I have a paper to give to my insurance company now that is all that matters. It will set in my garage for the most part.
Thank you for replying I will keep you in mind it I need any further info.
Irene
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Falcon67
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Posted: 12/09/07 08:49 PM
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On my 351 Cleveland engines, I sometimes find part of a VIN stamped on the driver's side rear of the cylinder head. It's really hard to see. I don't recall seeing that on any 351W heads. You can also look for casting dates on the manifold, cylinder heads (under the valve covers) and engine block and compare those to the build date for the car.
1967 Falcon 4 door 351C-4V 1970 Mustang 351C-2V http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod Owner built, owner abused.
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Posted: 12/10/07 11:22 AM
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Falcon, on the 302 it is found on the back of the block right behind the intake. Some 351W engines are stamped here and others on the driver's side rear of the block.
I wouldn't rely on that dealer's info since the only "Cobra Jet" was a 428 FE big-block. The 351 Windsor or Cleveland never used the CJ moniker. Again, post your VIN or PM it to me and I'll give you a full breakdown of the vehicle and it's value...
Mark
Mark Houlahan Editor Modified Mustangs & Fords Magazine
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Falcon67
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Posted: 12/11/07 06:25 AM
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Since the post indicated it was a 69, I figured it was a 351W car - 351C wouldn't be an option until 1970. But then the dealer said it's a 70 model engine - that would hint at a 351C. If it is a 351C, then the engine is not original to the car.
Uh, Mark - ever head of a Q code 351C Mustang? That would be a "Cobra Jet". Offered in some form from 71 to 74.
Yesterday I saw a kinda rough looking driver for sale over at fordmuscle.com, with an asking price of 10.5K. Like Mark said - post the VIN and it'll tell us what the car should have in it.
In any event, you might want to also have the car appraised by a professional classic car appraiser. Then you would have a clear idea of the value that you and the insurance company can work with.
1967 Falcon 4 door 351C-4V 1970 Mustang 351C-2V http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod Owner built, owner abused.
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Posted: 12/11/07 06:48 AM
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While I did space out for a minute on the Q-code Ram-Air option from '71 on (far from an expert on the '71-'73s unfortunately), I was technically referring to her model year as far as the CJ and small-block, just didn't "type it" that way... ![]()
Mark
Mark Houlahan Editor Modified Mustangs & Fords Magazine
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Falcon67
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Posted: 12/11/07 07:44 AM
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OK, you're excused.
1967 Falcon 4 door 351C-4V 1970 Mustang 351C-2V http://raceabilene.com/kelly/hotrod Owner built, owner abused.
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